oettinger apparently tuned a number of 16V golfs for the french market in the 80s. it was called the golf 16S, i think. anyone ever heard of this rare beast, or have any info on it? jason the mad bastard -- To subscribe or unsubscribe, send email to scirocco-L-request@scirocco.org, with your request (subscribe, unsubscribe) in the BODY of the message.