Re: only in europe-gearing q'-CLARIFICATION-

[Roland <toker@oden.se>]

Living in Europe and sometimes visiting Germany i might clear up. The 90hp
something Golfs and passats etc can go up to 200km/h in Germany. But it takes
some time to reach that. It is close to 120mph, a little more like 122mph i
think is more right. In difference, if you go from Sweden to Germany you notice
after one fuelfilling in Germany that the car is 5-10km/h faster. When you go
back to Sweden you notice that your car is as before. They have good gas in
that country. As from what i've learned, European cars usually have a little
more hp than american cars (same car) due to regulations. Those few more
horsepower is at the high end.

Aaron D. Patton wrote:

> >
> > Ryan Schuermann wrote:
> > >
> > > I doubt his passat was 4000 lbs,
> >
> > I looked it up, and both manual and auto trans 2.0 Passats weigh between
> > 2,900 and 3,000 pounds. Sorry I said 4,000.
>
> My '79 with a 1.6 and approx 95hp has hit around 120, verified by my friend
> in his Vtec Integra.
>
>
> > and i know a few 90hp sciroccos and rabbits than can hit 110 no sweat,
> > They can both hit 110, but I know there is a little sweat involved, and
> > both cars weigh about 2,300 pounds
>
> My car weighs less than 2K lbs.
>
> > >plus i'm sure his passat is even more aerodynamic than my scirocco, all
> >the corners were rounded, it looked like a bullet...
> >
> > My Scirocco has about the same aerodynamic coefficient of drag as a
> > Passat.
> >
> > >he said it was all in the gearing. and that there was no way he got
> >there any >time fast, but he would eventually reach that speed. Im sure
> >with a tall enough >gearing you can reach it, as a few people have replied
> as to be able to do just the >same thing w/ a modified gear box.
>
> If the above were true landspeed record cars would only need 3 or 4 hundred
> hp and  r&p ratio of .9 or .7 to hit 500mph, or a fifth gear of about .2,
> or both.  Gearing will make up for hp up to a point, but not enough to make
> a 3000lb car with 75hp go 150mph.
>
> > > Ryan
> >
> > I stand by my original reply:
> >
> > 150mph would take, in my estimation, around 160hp in a Passat.
>
> I think you need to revise your estimate upward a bit.  The VR6 Passat only
> topped out at about 135-140 with 172hp.  The current Audi A4 with the 190hp
> 5V V6 tops out at 128 ( governor limited ).  If the car did not have a
> governor, and it would actually hit the 6300rpm redline in 5th gear, it
> would only hit 146mph.  It hits 128 at 5500rpm that equals
> 42.96mph/1000rpm, which would equal approx 146mph at 6300.  The A4 is
> undoubtedly more aerodynamically efficient than the passat, at least it
> looks like it is smoother.
>
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> >
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