Re: Anybody done a stroker 2.2? (long)

[trnsfrma@ix.netcom.com (Shawn C. Meze)]

At 07:29 PM 2/4/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Just got back from a very enlightening visit to Shine Racing......... 

Boing!!!! he's a walking woody!


>My intended goal when I set out was to get into the 180-200HP range but with
>a 8v. This would still be somewhat a daily driver.


Im not trying to sink your boat (or dreams) but you cant realsitically have a 
daily driver with 180-200 hp. Well, lemm rephrase that. Anything is possible but 
you got to keep in mind that our little 4 bangers are not made to handle that 
kind of pounding in the realm of a daily driver and still have the kind of 
longevity that most stock or mildly modified Scirocco's have. Your asking for the 
world of high maintenance and almost cronic care. (Its kinda like deciding to 
have a kid you know!) As long as you realise these little responsabilities and 
accept them, your gonna love doing your project! 
 

>I intend to stay with the 8v as I really want low to mid performance vs.
>just at the upper end of the RPM scale. Their 2.0l 8v "tall block"
>w/hydraulic head is a definite but I am really leaning towards building a
>"stroker" which would net me a 2.2l. They claim 150HP for the 2.0l...I
>figure I should see at least 160HP out of the 2.2l. Anyone seen/have
>opinions on the 2.2l "stroker"?

its alot of cash for a 0.1L bump. But hey, its your project and I say do whatever 
your heart tells you to put in your rocket. If its a 2.2L you want, then by all 
means, fork over the bank and do it right! If you really want to get closer to 
the 180-200 hp range, mate up a turbo kit with the stroker motor. You can easily 
have the 200+ hp your looking for. (Just a thought) 


>I would also get the variable cam sprocket (kinda like a cheap VTEC although
>it mechanical)...don't know the maker but sounds decent and they 
>liked it. 


Every real VW performance mechanic I have spoken to about (I havent talked to the 
schrine boys yet. Im refering to "Velocity" mainly) the cam sprocket say its not 
worth it. I know several people who have them on their Street Mod Sciroccos and 
they both said they felt no gain but one did say that on the dyno, ho got a 
whopping 1hp gain! For the monney he spent, he was kinda pissed! So to each his 
own. Im not trying to talk you out of getting one, just sharing what ive learned 
in the world of gofast VW's!


>They also brought up NOS, which would add 40HP...anyone have NOS
>and opinions? (My first thought on NOS has always been .... cool! but not in
>my car)


Its something worth looking at. (My feeling also, not on my car!) There are 
better safer kits that dont destroy the motors like they used to do. The reason 
that motors were getting trashed was because they installed a 80 shot and went 
out and drove the piss out of it with the stock bottom end with 100K+ miles on 
it. You just cant do it that way and have a long lasting motor. Since your 
building yourself a motor, you can safely add a 40 shot. The only problem is, you 
will like it soo much you will want to upgrade to the 80, then the 120, then the 
200........ its never ending....


>I will also have them doing exhaust. They are thinking techtonics downpipe
>with std. manifold but it depends if the brospeed header can clear then I'll
>go with it (they are REALLY nice units..HPC coated and all). Anyone have the
>brospeed?


Id say with such a motor ambition your gonna put in the car, go with a header. 
Might as well. 

 
>Any recommendations on mufflers (or not?)? I don't mind it being load in
>fact you moght say I like it that way. I like that raspy,"euro", sound :-)

If you get the TT system, you will get the sound your wanting. Its loud when your 
on the throttle and quiet around town. Well, its not quiet, its just not as loud 
when your on the gas. (I have a .WAV sound file of my car if your interested, 
i'll send it to you.) I think Todd really loves the way my car sounds!! Right 
Todd!! Well, maybe not. I doubt he even remembers my car.  

>As for suspension I'm looking at doing 200lbs springs up front and 120lbs in
>the rear with Bilstein HD all around. How are the BOGE?

Here again, I'd say that your ambitious motor project definately needs the 
suspension to handle it. Id advise that you think about some Koni adjustables and 
some Neuspeed Race Springs. (Ya, its what I have.) I have the Boge Turbo's on my 
86' GLi and at times, I think they're harsher than my Koni's! Hopefully you have 
a full swaybar package and stress bars to match? (Unless your one of those 
straight line guys ZZzzzz.)
If not the Koni's, then the Bilsteins will be good. The reason I say Koni's is 
mainly since they're adjustable. Thats a really nice feature and when im hauling 
all my race stuff (or BIG people) I can stiffen up the rear s
o the car rides great! its all about your preferences.   


>I also getting their bushing kit (way cool!) 

Which one is that???

>and upgrading the brakes to the
>larger set and converting the rears to disk at the same time. Anybody done
>this conversion themselves? I am correct to assume some dramatic
>improvements in the braking or only a little?

Do you want performance or do you want looks? Changing the rear to disc wont do 
much for you. You will also have to change your master cylinder and add a 
different prop valve. ($$$$$) 
Then again, since your already doing the whole brake system, why not add the 
disks. 


>Thanks a bunch and will keep you all posted on progress as I will probably
>start the whole process within a week or so!
>-johnny-


You better, you think I get paid to sit here and trpe?  :-P
Hey, at least your DOING a project and not dreaming about it.......

I didnt hear anything about tranny mods or upgrades. I hope you plan on doing 
this too. If anything, get an 020 tranny and get the Velocity 80% diff kit. I 
just put one in my Scirocco (Gonna put one in my GLi soon, too!) and you will 
need it to get ALL that power to the ground. 


Shawn
86' Jetta GLi
82' Scirocco GTi
The Fastest, Quickest, Cleanest and 
best looking Scirocco in all of San Diego!

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