I thought this was kind of funny maybe I'm the only one. Actually I'm not a drive VW ONLY or die person, but I think the arguments are kind of fun check this out http://www.pelican.net/~kevin/honda.html -- To subscribe or unsubscribe, send email to scirocco-l-request@privateI.com, with your request (subscribe, unsubscribe) in the BODY of the message.