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> Please add to this list if you think HOR's are good or bad.
> Thanks
> Doug.
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>I removed the US bumpers and replaced them with the Euro
>bumpers. This made driving on my HOR springs better.
>If you want to remove all the extra stuff from your car like
>the AC you can buy time on your HOR springs. I like H&R's
>They cost more but they are much better springs.
>
>Doug
> " HOR's suck!!! " " Koni Sport Adjustables" and " H&R's" are good!
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>eh, I like how a few people totally avoided your question by telling
>you to get smaller wheels. HAH, My friend Tim has a Mk2 with 17s and
>doesnt get any rubbing. I have a 79 with 17s and I only rub a bit. As
>far as your setup, if it rides well, the only way I can think of raising
>the front is to make some sort of 10-15mm plate that goes between the
>strut bearing and the car body. If you have a front stress bar, you may
>encounter problems of the nut not reading the stud, but the plate is the
>only thing I can think of that would be a cheap way to go about raising
>the front end. IF you are all over the road and have lots of suspension
>travel and dont like your setup, get some Koni Sport Adjustables =p
>
> Andri
> Lime Green 79 Scirocco )
>" Koni Sport Adjustables" are good!
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>At 2:34 pm -0400 22/4/99, James G. wrote:
>>I'm looking at replacing the Hor springs with Neuspeed or Spax. The
>
>Ack!! No, don't buy spax either.... Spax makes good 1-year suspension
>parts. After that 1 year, they're garbage IME... the springs sagged and
>the shocks died. Spax is only an upgrade from stock, and only as a
>stop-gap improvement. :P
>Riley McDowall
> "spax suck"
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>I pretty much agree with Matthews statement. Mine worked great for
>more then a year, probably because I stored the car winters. But they
>did sure sag. In fact, when I changed out the Boge Progas shocks and
>Hor springs I discovered that the front end of my car was resting on
>bump stops. Definite sagging occured. Handled really great too, but
>was harsh over bumps. The Koni/H&R combo I have now is much much
>better, all around. But cost more then twice as much, almost three
>times actually. I guess to a large extent in this area, you get what
>you pay for.
>
>==Brett
> " HOR's suck!!! " " Koni Sport Adjustables" and " H&R's" are good!
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>Lets see, less then a month till a year is up. Still at the same ride
>hight.
>
>Pete
>
>>HOR Tech springs will work fine for a few months - check back in a
>year when
>>your front end is sagging...
>
> " HOR's are not old yet!!! Hmm will they suck soon? "
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>Don't do the Spax!!
>
>This has gone 'round on the list a few times, and a number of complaints
>have been made about Spax, especially about the shocks, but I've heard a
>few
>bad things about the springs, too. I just met a guy last week who has a '98
>GTI that had Spax shocks and springs. He already replaced the shocks 'cause
>they were so bad (remember, the whole car is only a year old!). He wants to
>replace the springs, too.
>
>A lot of people that I've talked to (Including Mike Potter and the local
>watercooled club here in Minneapolis) seem to prefer Neuspeed or H&R. There
>are probably other good brands out there, but I just ordered a set of H&Rs
>from the Potterman.
>
>Anyone have experience with Eibach? A local Firestone dealer recommended
>them with Koni shocks. I know that some of their racing application stuff
>is
>real good, but haven't heard anything from street VW people like most of
>us...
>
>Neal
> "spax suck" What about Eibach?
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>Adding my thoughts: They suck for long term applications (like 2+years)
>
>I'm looking at replacing the Hor springs with Neuspeed or Spax. The
>fronts are sagging, and getting lower. Plus, my upper strut bearings are
>shot even though they're the HD ones.
>-James
> "Old HOR's suck!!! Young HOR's are OK but don't keep them.
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>Message text written by "DaleWitt"
>>I maintain that it is possible to get a bad set of springs from any
>manufacturer. They
>are made in batches and problems can occur from time to time due to a
>breakdown
>in qualiity control, either in production or material source. Nuespeed has
>used HOR
>and Eibach in the past. My 5 year old Neuspeed sports with Bilsteins show
>no wear
>at all, and have taken very hard driving. I have a 10 year old Sachs race
>setup on
>my 82 and it still performs excellent. I have heard of problems with both
>Sachs and
>HORs. I have seen Spax break down in one year and others last for years.
>My
>experience with HORs has been good.
>
>Dale
>86 2.0 16v rocco
>82 2.1 16v rocco (Zender 400 w/NOS)
>
>"All spring manufacturers can have a bad day" Some suck less"
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>> Please add to this list if you think HOR's are good or bad.
>> Thanks
>> Doug.
>>
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>> Sure is, you're car then rides like a Civic with cut springs and stock
>> shocks! ;)
>>
>> -Jason Kendall
>> " HOR's suck!!! "
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>> --- Jason Kendall wrote:
>> > Finally the spring rate just disappeared, and ruined both
>struts.
>>
>> That's a bad thing, right? :)
>> Matthew Yip
>> " HOR's suck!!! "
>> *****************
>> Message text written by Matthew Yip
>> HOR Tech springs will work fine for a few months - check back in a year
>> when
>> your front end is sagging...
>>
>> Matthew Yip
>> mgyip@yahoo.com
>> " HOR's suck!!! "
>> ***********************
>> Message text written by Jason Kendall
>>
>> My friends Rabbit GTI had Hor's. After 2 years of use, all of the coils
>> had
>> flat spots on them from smacking each other. Then where the flat spots
>> were, they started rusting, baddly. Finally the spring rate just
>> disappeared, and ruined both struts.
>>
>> -Jason Kendall
>> " HOR's suck!!! "
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>> Message text written by -alan
>>
>> ummm... i personally know of someone who has had these springs for quite
>> some
>> time.. they are not sagging.. perhaps someone got a bad one somewhere
>down
>> the line. i'll admit they are low, but is that really a bad thing? i
>really
>>
>> like my set-up. they work great with the bilstein sports. :)
>>
>> -alan
>> " HOR's don't suck!!! "
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>> Message text written by Doug Teulie
>>
>> (From Pete) ---> "I don't know what you are talking about"
>>
>> Just go for a drive, sit back and relax.
>> MMMM SLAM MMMMMMMMMM SLAM MMMMMMMM
>> MMMMMMMMMMMM SLAM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>>
>> Yes they do drive OK but then they sag and get flat spots. If you drive
>a
>> car
>> like yours with Neuspeed springs or H&R,s you will see why
>> the HOR's suck. I have them on my 16v with the bilstein sports and I
>know
>> how bad
>> the springs are. I am not getting new springs soon but If I had the money
>> I would get better springs. I hope that some of the list folks see this
>> message
>> and don't get stuck with the HOR trash springs.
>> "IMHO"
>> Doug
>> " HOR's suck!!! "
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>> Message text written by Pete
>>
>> I dont know what you are talking about, I have HORs on my 16v, w/ 15x7
>> wheels (195-50-15) And the setup kicks ass. I love them, They handle
>> great, look good (I admit, they are low) And were a good price.
>>
>> Pete
>> " HOR's don't suck!!! "
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>> Message text written by Kathy Teulie
>> >I drove a car set up like yours and it did drive OK.
>> You need a good tire size. Now if it were me
>> I would go for the 15x6 or 15x6.5 rims too. I think 16's
>> are too big! If you change rims your problem will
>> still be there. You need to ditch the HOR springs.
>> HOR springs are not good on 16v's. I am not sure
>> if they work on 8v's but I know that they do not work
>> on 16v's. The spring is too soft and too low.
>> I have H&R on my MK1 and they are much better
>> then the HOR's on my 16v. HOR's suck!!! and you
>> pay for it because you need a real spring to replace them.
>> Did you get them at Autotech? Next time call Mike Potter.
>> He will not push junk like HOR's on you. Your shocks or OK.
>> I had a set of them on my MK1. Not bad. But KONI is the best.
>> IMHO
>> Doug.
>> " HOR's suck!!! "
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>> Message text written by Kevin Collins
>> >Michael Leach wrote:
>>
>> > I really need a little help. I have an 87 16v with boge turbo gas
>> > shocks and hor springs ....... but doesnt everybody who does not
>> > have the money for he really good ones....anyway as I was saying I
>> > recently purchased 16x7.5 Borbet rims with 205-45-16 tires and I am
>> > getting rubbing in the front on some bumps I just need a little more
>> > clearance. Any CHEAP ideas to get about half an inch higher....there
>> > are plenty of expensive ones...... Thanks and just to let everyone
>> > know only on the list for 2 weeks and heading to Cincy the Rochester
>> > contingent is growing!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Just my opinion.. but 16x7.6s on a 'rocco are just plain too big. Plus
>> you're hauling around a LOT of extra unsprung weight - not good for
>> performance at all.
>>
>> Maybe you could swap for some 15x6.5s of some sort? This would solve
>> your problem, though it may or may not be cheap...
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kevin Collins<<
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